Sunday, January 29, 2017

Chapter 4 Discussion

Please post your two questions and one response to your peers' questions about chapter 4 of the Bedford Book of Genres by commenting on this post!

Please include your full name as well.

Questions should be posted by 10PM the night before class, and comments should be no less than 150 words and finished by the time we meet in class.

31 comments:

  1. Foster Dore

    1. Which method of rhetorical appeal do you use the most when persuading someone?

    2. How easily can you notice that you're being persuaded? Does it still work even if you are conscious of it?

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    1. Marissa Latham
      1. The method I use when persuading someone would depend on the argument and the situation. For example, if I were persuading someone to stop eating candy, I would use ethos so as to give the person I am talking to the factual reasoning of why they should stop eating candy. On the other hand, if I were persuading someone to begin listening to music, I would use pathos and explain to them that music is a crucial part of society in that it inspires people and affects them emotionally. If I wanted to use logos it would most likely be in a situation where I am persuading someone not to do something. I would lead the person through each step of what would happen as a result of their action and logically help them make a decision that would be better in the long run.

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  2. Audrey Lugo

    1. How does the way your ideas are presented persuade others?
    2. How do visuals help to persuade the reader to agree with the author's argument?

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    1. Visuals greatly help persuade the audience of the authors argument. The saying, “A picture is worth a thousand words” is very true. When people are listening to someone’s argument, a picture can go a long way to persuade them. By including some sort of visual, this gives the audience the impression that whatever the author is arguing in true. It makes the argument more believable by offering “visual evidence”. It also helps the audience understand the argument better. If an authors’ argument is too vague or is not making too much sense, a visual of some sort can help clear up what the author is trying to argue or can guide the audience towards realizing the argument much quicker. Once the audience knows what the authors’ argument is, it is easier for them to agree with it sense they can finally see what the author is getting at.

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  3. Marissa Latham
    1. Analyze one format that persuades people very effectively in our society.
    2. Is one rhetorical device enough to persuade someone?

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    1. Audrey Lugo

      I believe that the rhetorical appeals, pathos, ethos, and logos are all necessary when trying to persuade someone; using just one of these alone is not enough. For instance, if I am trying to persuade my mom to let me bring my car up to Tallahassee, I would probably first start with pathos. Appealing to emotion, I would express how having my car here would make it much easier for me to visit her back at home, since me being home makes her so happy. Using ethos, I would explain how responsible I am and ensure her that I am a safe driver because of how well she taught me and how much practice I already have with driving. To get her to reason with me, I would use logos and further explain how much easier it would be to get around, whether it be to do groceries or to drive home, and how having my car up here would really benefit everyone.

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    2. Foster Dore

      One very obvious format of persuasion within today's society is through television advertisements. These advertisements vary in a multitude of ways, however their overarching intention is to persuade viewers to invest, donate, or purchase into a company's good or service. This form of marketing seems to be very successful as TV commercials have been around since the television was invented. What makes them so powerful? In my opinion their ability to incorporate all forms of rhetorical appeal within a moving image. This allows viewers to easily connect with the images around them in logical and emotional ways, in turn fulfilling the persuader's intentions.

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    3. A very effective way to persuade people in our society is through advertisement. However, advertisement is not always very honest. People seek forms of media for entertainment, and so marketing and advertisement companies know to steer clear of simple informative ads and give the public something with more pizzazz. Often times, this works. If an ad is depictive of something offensive, over-sexualized, aesthetic, etc. then the audience will be more drawn to it. Unfortunately, the message of the ad often times gets misinterpreted in times like these. Using a naked girl to show support towards a burger joint will bring more attraction to the burger restaurant, where of course that girl does not often eat from. If she had, she wouldn't look so good naked. People are drawn towards visuals, especially those of which are raunchy or edgy.

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  4. Max Dou

    1. As noted throughout history, propaganda is used quite often to persuade individuals and populations entirely, although the most recognized use of propaganda was during the World War 2 and the Cold War, nonetheless it is still used today. How does the genre's conventions influence the success of this writing style?

    2. When trying to persuade someone over a certain topic, is it best to use layman's term or use specific topic related vocabulary? Explain your reasoning.

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  5. Christian Harnden
    1) What do you consider more important in advertising, recognizing the audience or the actual design of the advertisement?

    2) Is there a point to writing persuasive pieces if you have zero to little credibility in the field?

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    1. 1. I believe both recognizing the audience and creating an effective design are equally important for an advertiser. Recognizing your audience is the first step of the process. Once you understand your demographic, you have to create an advertisement with a style that will appeal to your audience. For example, if you know you are creating an advertisement for young children and understand that that is your audience, you will likely create an advertisement that is very colorful and whimsical and not very serious. However, if you are creating a design for a business firm, knowing that that is your audience, you would create a design that is more professional, serious, and less colorful. The two concepts go hand in hand are both equally important. It is essentially impossible to create an effective advertisement if you do not know who you are advertising to. But you also have to create an effective ad that will appeal to your intended audience.

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  6. Daria Root
    1. How does stronger pathos change an ad?
    2. There are many different types of persuasive writings, which one do you believe is the most effective and why?

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    1. Pathos changes an ad because of the emotional appeal to the audience. If it is strong then more people can relate to it and it draws a bigger audience. The most effective persuasive writings are advertisements because they are the easiest to produce and the easiest to put out to a large audience. Advertisements are every where, on TV, online and on the road. Whether it be a commercial or a billboard, they cannot be ignored.

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  7. 1. In today's society, which platform do you think is the most effective in persuading people: social media or news on television?

    2. Do you agree/disagree with the statement: "Pathos is the most important aspect in persuausion." Explain.

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    1. 1. In today's society, I believe the best platform to persuade a group of people is social media. As the generations pass, our attention span goes with it. Often time people go to social media for entertainment, out of boredom, or for their news of current events. Therefore, in terms of a platform for persuasion, social media is the most effective out of the three. The persuasive genre has a brief and directive style. This is perfect for social media platforms such as Twitter and such.

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    2. Ashleigh Forehand

      The combination of ethos, logos, and pathos will give an argument to persuade an audience the greatest possible chance for success. Ethos is important to appeal to the bandwagon effect. People are more likely to jump on board with an idea if someone they know/know of is in support of it, so in order to persuade an audience to believe/do something, it would be useful to reach out to an expert (or just to back up your argument with their similar claims) in the field that you are talking about. Logos can be used to create a sound argument. Facts and understanding are the base of a persuasive piece, so if what you are saying makes sense, even if they don’t want to agree with you, it will be easier to persuade them. Pathos can help persuade an audience in areas that even logic could not help. Whether or not something is ethical or logical, people will often follow their gut/how things make them feel, so appealing to an audience’s emotions can lead them to agree with you even if it doesn’t make the most sense.

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    3. Daria Root
      I believe that the most effective form of persuasion today is seen through social media. Social media is rising in popularity almost daily, and with this rise in popularity and power advertising companies are using this to their advantage. When scrolling through any social media form, you are almost guaranteed to see an ad pop up somewhere, even if it is subtle. For example, if you are scrolling through twitter you may see a video you like, however many times an ad will play for a few seconds before. The world of advertisements and persuasion has changed from being just seen in between your favorite scenes of a television show or in between news stories, they can now be seen as you scroll down your news feed or watch a video your friend messaged you on twitter. With the rise in social medias, more ads will be sure to be seen over time.

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    4. 2. I disagree with the statement, “Pathos is the most important aspect in persuasion.” I believe that all three rhetoric appeals, pathos, logos, and ethos, are equally affective aspects of persuasion. You’ll need pathos to express your emotions towards the situation and try to have your audience relate and understand where you’re coming from. You basically have to try to put them in your shoes. But it can’t be done if you don’t seem credible or have facts to back it up. The form of persuasion requires you to be able to back up your statement. No matter how many emotions or expression you throw at someone, they’ll always want the facts! You have to sound credible and with that comes ethos and logos. Your diction and the way you present yourself can hook a person on to your statement. Similar, having information, such as statistics or citing your work proves how reliable you can be. These three together can make your argument powerful. It wouldn’t be the same if you just use one.

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  8. 1. Why is developing an effective style important for persuasion?

    2. How can you use ethos, pathos, and logos to develop a strong persuasive piece?

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    1. Davian Smith
      An effective style is important in regards to trying persuasion because it isn’t easy to persuade someone or a group of people. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and have the ability to either follow your ideas or dismiss them. The style that you use is important when trying to get someone to come into agreeance with you. Your style of persuasion should change depending on the situation and audience in which you are trying to persuade. For example, if you are in a situation that relates to business, you wouldn’t want to use an ethos approach because it deals with emotions but a logos approach will be more eye opening as it persuades using facts which is essential in regards to any business aspect. To answer the second question, one can use ethos in marketing something that is expensive. If you are able to appeal to the emotions of an audience, the prices are no longer a concern because it is no longer about the profit.

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  9. Ashleigh Forehand
    Do you think that an author’s/artist’s statement can affect the piece overall? How might ethos, logos and pathos be included in what the author has to say?

    How do you think artists get their original messages across when creating collages (since they are combining the work of others)?

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  10. Judley Joseph
    1. Which is the most effective rhetorical appeal in order to persuade, and why.
    2. Which form of mode is more effective in a persuasive genre, written or verbal(audio)?

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    1. In terms of persuasion, it is equally important to include all three rhetorical appeals. In the narrative genre, pathos can be stronger than the rest, and in the informative genre, logos and/or ethos can be stronger. In the persuasive genre, you're going to need all three in order to effectively argue. The use of pathos will draw the readers in on the argument you are trying to make, but this won't always be enough, or at least, hopefully it won't. The use of ethos establishes credibility, making readers more likely to believe you because of your experiences and reliability. They won't necessarily believe someone who uses false information and constantly embellishes. And the use of logos establishes knowledge on the subject. Without information, how will people make a truly informed decision? They won't. They shouldn't. Without all three rhetorical appeals, it's just a sloppy essay with an unclear argument.

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  11. Davian Smith
    What would be the most ideal way to persuade an audience that disagrees with the argument you are trying to display?

    How could social media be considered a negative tool in trying to persuade an audience?

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    1. Christian Harnden
      1. I believe the most effective way of persuading an audience that disagrees with your message is to make their contrary ideas sound less credible. The way to do this is to become a master in the beliefs opposite of yours. This gives the writer the tools they need to understand what the opponent considers strengths and weaknesses of your work and their own work. This understanding gives you the advantage to understand how your opponent believes and use this to your advantage. The best way to use this information would be to discredit your opponents lead argument by having the counterargument to their main points already prepared and in your argumentative composition. The audience will be stubborn and many will refuse to give up their own beliefs at first and that is why it is so important to show them that their argument doesn't overcome the well organized facts you overpowered them.

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  12. 1) Do graphics or videos make a writing more persuasive rather than not including them?

    2) What techniques do you use when you lie?

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  13. 1. In what ways does the persuasive genre affect our daily lives?

    2. What are some ways that you can make the purpose of a persuasive essay more effective?

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  14. 1. Why is it sometimes easier to write a persuasive argument in favor of the argument that is overwhelmingly opposed?

    2.How do the conventions of the persuasive genre result with convincing essays or arguments?

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  15. 1. In what kind of genres will signatures most be found and why?
    2. Why does it matter what colors and layout is being used in an advertisement?

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  16. 1. What forms of media (blogs, videos, articles) are the best ways to carry a persuasive point effectively?

    2. Are advertisements often times more dishonest or more honest in representation to its product? Explain your opinion.

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    1. Most effective way to capture the audience's attention?
    2. Are some ways better than others?

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